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Old 07-03-2015, 12:04 AM   #1
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Default Trace route: Bad pings vs good pings

Hi DH:

Below are the traceroutes I took on Thursday 07/02/2015. Pings seem to be bad from 9:00 to 10:30 then get better. Sorry I forgot to get the exact times when the traceroutes were taken.

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BELOW IS A TRACEROUTE WHEN PINGS WERE ~ 120


C:\Users\xxxxx>tracert 66.159.203.2

Tracing route to netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms READYSHARE [192.168.1.1]
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
3 38 ms 41 ms 16 ms tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net [63.231.10.65]
4 17 ms 46 ms 18 ms tukw-agw1.inet.qwest.net [71.217.186.1]
5 17 ms 16 ms 17 ms sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
6 17 ms 18 ms 16 ms ae-20.r04.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.9.133]
7 17 ms 17 ms 18 ms ae-6.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.44]
8 19 ms 17 ms 16 ms ae-0.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.53]
9 34 ms 34 ms 34 ms ae-3.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.124]
10 34 ms 34 ms 33 ms ae-0.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.182]
11 46 ms 42 ms 42 ms ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.151]
12 153 ms 151 ms 153 ms ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.70]
13 115 ms 114 ms 110 ms ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.94]
14 111 ms 110 ms 110 ms netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]


BELOW IS A TRACE ROUTE WHEN PINGS WERE ~ 45

Trace complete.

C:\Users\xxxxx>tracert 66.159.203.2

Tracing route to netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms READYSHARE [192.168.1.1]
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.1
3 16 ms 16 ms 19 ms tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net [63.231.10.65]
4 16 ms 16 ms 15 ms tukw-agw1.inet.qwest.net [71.217.186.1]
5 16 ms 17 ms 16 ms sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
6 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-20.r04.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.9.133]
7 19 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-6.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.44]
8 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-0.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.53]
9 33 ms 33 ms 35 ms ae-3.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.124]
10 34 ms 34 ms 35 ms ae-0.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.182]
11 43 ms 42 ms 42 ms ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.151]
12 45 ms 44 ms 43 ms ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.70]
13 42 ms 42 ms 42 ms ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.94]
14 43 ms 44 ms 41 ms netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\xxxxx>


---------DH's added notes for his own use later on ----------------
// Comparing routes when good from this network to your network


Tracing the route to tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net (63.231.10.65)

1 ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 300 msec
ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 4 msec
2 los-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (63.146.27.217) [AS 209] 224 msec 224 msec 140 msec
3 * * *
4 tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net (63.231.10.65) [AS 209] 28 msec 28 msec 32 msec

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Old 07-03-2015, 12:05 AM   #2
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Default Re: Trace route: Bad pings vs good pings

You can see that there is a problem last three hops
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Default Re: Trace route: Bad pings vs good pings

DH - The first (bad pings) tracert was taken abot 9:30, and the second (good pings) was taken about 10:30 to 11:00 PM
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Old 07-03-2015, 08:06 PM   #4
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Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
Copyright (c) 2009 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

C:\Users\Natalie>tracert

Usage: tracert [-d] [-h maximum_hops] [-j host-list] [-w timeout]
[-R] [-S srcaddr] [-4] [-6] target_name

Options:
-d Do not resolve addresses to hostnames.
-h maximum_hops Maximum number of hops to search for target.
-j host-list Loose source route along host-list (IPv4-only).
-w timeout Wait timeout milliseconds for each reply.
-R Trace round-trip path (IPv6-only).
-S srcaddr Source address to use (IPv6-only).
-4 Force using IPv4.
-6 Force using IPv6.

C:\Users\Natalie>trace route
'trace' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

C:\Users\Natalie>tracert 66.51.198.2

Tracing route to tftp.phonepower.com [66.51.198.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.att.net [192.168.1.254]
2 284 ms 103 ms 191 ms 108-71-88-3.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108
.71.88.3]
3 9 ms 9 ms 8 ms 71.145.0.190
4 395 ms 423 ms 415 ms 12.83.39.185
5 214 ms 139 ms * 12.122.149.137
6 265 ms 289 ms 412 ms 192.205.37.58
7 49 ms 52 ms 52 ms ae-9.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.2
41]
8 23 ms 21 ms 46 ms ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.1
51]
9 22 ms 22 ms 45 ms ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.7
0]
10 23 ms 22 ms 22 ms ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [12
9.250.203.94]
11 21 ms 22 ms 21 ms tftp.phonepower.com [66.51.198.2]

Trace complete.

C:\Users\Natalie>tracert 66.51.198.2

Tracing route to tftp.phonepower.com [66.51.198.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms dsldevice.att.net [192.168.1.254]
2 3407 ms 2598 ms 614 ms 108-71-88-3.lightspeed.sntcca.sbcglobal.net [108
.71.88.3]
3 91 ms 22 ms 8 ms 71.145.0.190
4 328 ms 275 ms 378 ms 12.83.39.185
5 219 ms 220 ms 243 ms 12.122.149.137
6 200 ms 15 ms 12 ms 192.205.37.58
7 167 ms 20 ms 12 ms ae-9.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.2
41]
8 135 ms 97 ms 22 ms ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.1
51]
9 654 ms 102 ms 35 ms ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.7
0]
10 23 ms 22 ms 182 ms ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [12
9.250.203.94]
11 79 ms 22 ms 21 ms tftp.phonepower.com [66.51.198.2]

Trace complete.
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Old 07-10-2015, 03:37 PM   #5
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Default Re: Trace route: Bad pings vs good pings

So I added some notes under Miba so I can compare the good routes and Bad from this side, probibly have to do the bad trace routes later in the night.


Widow's issue is very local.
Infact from what she is describing it sounds like some old issue people used to get with CS when 2 people tried to LAN and there routers didn't do PAT correctly and both players had to share a UDP port to receive info. But this seems to happen on different games. So a small guess would be either some one fucked with the firewall settings thinking being the DMZ or 1 to 1 mapped IP makes them cool and didn't realize that it's not configured correctly. Could also be the just a not so good modem and or internet connection. If you haven't messed with the firewall settings add screen shots of the Broadband Link page.
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Hi DH

Thanks for looking into the problem. The latency starts to increase at around 6:30 to 7:00, and is at it's worst from 8:30 to 9:30 / 10:00 PM.

For some reason Sunday seems to be the worst night for increased latency with "rubber banding" (to use a term that Wolf uses) occurring only on Sunday night.

Like you pointed out there is an issue going on with the the 12th hop. Maybe NTT is routing a specific high bandwidth customer during that time frame.

Hopefully this issue can get resolved.

Thanks again.

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Default Re: Trace route: Bad pings vs good pings

Showing it in Qwest.
I did a trace route with 20 probes each, the problem show up past NTT (looking from my side) and 1 hop in Qwest.

Code:
Tracing the route to tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net (63.231.10.65)

  1 ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 4 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 4 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 4 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 4 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 4 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.93) [AS 2914] 0 msec
    ge-100-0-0-16.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net (129.250.203.113) [AS 2914] 0 msec
  2 los-brdr-01.inet.qwest.net (63.146.27.217) [AS 209] 92 msec 100 msec 8 msec 8 msec 12 msec 100 msec 100 msec 96 msec 8 msec 8 msec 96 msec 92 msec 100 msec 8 msec 8 msec 100 msec 8 msec 100 msec 12 msec 96 msec
  3  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  *  * 
  4 tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net (63.231.10.65) [AS 209] 88 msec 160 msec 140 msec 96 msec 24 msec 112 msec 136 msec 132 msec 100 msec 112 msec 24 msec 148 msec 124 msec 104 msec 100 msec 96 msec 96 msec 104 msec 96 msec 144 msec
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Actually, let me see if NTT can check there Link to Qwest from there side. In the morning I'll drop them a ticket.
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Old 07-14-2015, 07:36 AM   #8
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DH - Take a look at this trace I took at 7:45 AM, specifically the 11th hop:

3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms tukw-dsl-gw65.tukw.qwest.net [63.231.10.65]
4 15 ms 16 ms 16 ms tukw-agw1.inet.qwest.net [71.217.186.1]
5 17 ms 17 ms 17 ms sea-brdr-02.inet.qwest.net [67.14.41.18]
6 17 ms 16 ms 18 ms ae-20.r04.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.9.133]
7 20 ms 17 ms 22 ms ae-6.r21.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.44]
8 19 ms 17 ms 18 ms ae-0.r20.sttlwa01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.53]
9 34 ms 33 ms 34 ms ae-3.r23.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.124]
10 33 ms 35 ms 34 ms ae-0.r22.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.2.182]
11 45 ms 46 ms 116 ms ae-7.r21.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4.151]
12 45 ms 45 ms 44 ms ae-2.r04.lsanca03.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.70]
13 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms ge-100-0-0-17.r04.lsanca03.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.94]
14 44 ms 44 ms 44 ms netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]
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Hi DH,

Do you have any data I can provide to my ISP to see if they can resolve this issue?

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Issue has been resolved!!

Last edited by VivaGabe!; 01-07-2016 at 03:26 PM. Reason: Fixing........
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Gabe: Local network issues or something wrong between your modem and the first hop. It's your provider. I bet you're on cable and that's during peak times. Also hide your IP.
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9/10 times my ping is ~89ms
1/10 times my ping is ~40ms (it was 40ms or better in years past)
Code:
C:\Users\Phil>tracert 66.159.203.2

Tracing route to netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    <1 ms    <1 ms    <1 ms  OpenWrt.lan [192.168.1.1]
  2     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  3    12 ms    13 ms    19 ms  173-219-222-49.suddenlink.net [173.219.222.49]
  4    18 ms    16 ms    15 ms  173-219-235-248.suddenlink.net [173.219.235.248]
  5     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  6     *        *        *     Request timed out.
  7    93 ms    81 ms    85 ms  ae-28.r00.lsanca07.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.9.93]
  8    84 ms    82 ms    81 ms  ge-101-0-0-16.r00.lsanca07.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [129.250.203.114]
  9    84 ms   101 ms    80 ms  netblock-66-159-203-2.dslextreme.com [66.159.203.2]

Trace complete.
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